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  JW Obession with the trinity

  by Riley in

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  so a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.

  funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.

  it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.

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  I just find it amusing that it starts with a fixed point in time at Jesus and as Christendom start introducing new concepts based on Greek philosophy etc and are changing the narrative around the words of Jesus to something else entirely, that the WT point their finger and describe it as the great apostasy caused by "oppressive wolves infiltrating the congregation.

  But when the WT organisation moves from a fixed point (C.T. Russell) forward introducing strange new ideas via Franz and Rutherford, the WT describe it as "new light from God".

  Personally I see a parallel and am always surprised that WT members cannot even when they are brave enough to explore their own history!
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  Had to laugh.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  i had to laugh.. i bumped into a friend who has started going back to the meetings and who has that enthusiastic arm-waving way of talking about the stuff they're hearing from the platform.. in part he's wittering on about some talk they'd had about king david and all of his ups and downs.

  and says, "and as the speaker emphasized over and over again, we can imitate david because he was a man just like ourselves.".

  " i finally interrupted.. that shut him up.

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  I had to laugh.

  I bumped into a friend who has started going back to the meetings and who has that enthusiastic arm-waving way of talking about the stuff they're hearing from the platform.

  In part he's wittering on about some talk they'd had about King David and all of his ups and downs. And says, "and as the speaker emphasized over and over again, we can imitate David because he was a man just like ourselves."

  "No he wasn't!" I finally interrupted.

  That shut him up. "Think about it," I said, "David had several wives. He was a killer and a soldier. He committed immorality. He engaged in politics becoming a ruler over people. Plus he had an intimate relationship with Jonathan. How many of the congregation you go to are allowed to engage in any of those things?"

  And then I walked off leaving him standing there with his mouth opening and closing like a goldfish in a bowl.

  Well it gave me a laugh anyway.
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  Mormon abuse allegations

  by RolRod in

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  mormons in the news covering up abuse allegations.

  https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/us/wirestory/mormons-meet-salt-lake-city-biannual-conference-90816632.

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  Lost in the fog

  Link works perfectly fine for me. 🤷
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  ARMAGEDDON

  by Lost in the fog in

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  2. bible

  can i ask please especially for all who are pomo?.

  we've taken a decision similar to revelation 18:4 to get out of the watchtower and not share in its sins.. how many of you still believe that god will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an armageddon?.

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  Can I ask please especially for all who are POMO?

  We've taken a decision similar to Revelation 18:4 to get out of the Watchtower and not share in its sins.

  How many of you still believe that God will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an Armageddon?
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  Virgin or whore complex that Witnesses have made my married life difficult!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  so was a virgin when i got married but my wife studied later in life and had been married for 6 months and had two boyfriends in her past.

  my strict witness mother hated my wife and thought she was not good enough for me.

  she thought all worldly women were dirty whores who cannot keep their vaginas to themselves.

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  Lost in the fog

  DarleneGatus,

  I can remember that talk from the circuit overseer about oral sex.

  It was about the first time that the bored teens in the audience were scribbling down notes. As one of the elders with a dry sense of humour said a few days later "it was the poor man's guide to alternative sexual practices".
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  Ecclesiastes 12:12,13

  by Lost in the fog in

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  2. beliefs

  whenever you think of your time in the organisation you'll remember all of the books.

  every year at a convention, new books brought out.

  shelves at home groaning under the weight of multicoloured covered wts books!

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  Whenever you think of your time in the Organisation you'll remember all of the books. Every year at a convention, new books brought out. Shelves at home groaning under the weight of multicoloured covered WTS books!

  And then the weekly Book Study group meetings to study those books, underlining answers laboriously.

  As many on this site have said before it was nothing more than a prolific publishing house out to make money from the rank and file.

  They don't translate Ecclesiastes 12:12 the way most Bible translations do because it clearly tells you not to do what the WT was doing and made us do -- "But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive study is wearying to the body." (New American Standard Bible).

  Instead of a constant stream of books they should have listened to verse 13 of Ecclesiastes 12 -- "The conclusion, when everything has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person." (NASB) It is that simple.

  Why didn't we see that when we were in?
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  Bullied At School

  by Lost in the fog in

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  just curious about the rest of you.

  i was bullied quite badly throughout my school years because of being a witness and not participating in religious holidays, sporting celebrations, assembly (worship), and the like.. it was mostly from other pupils but there were a couple of teachers who definitely treated me badly.

  that was back when uk teachers still caned pupils or were allowed to hurl the heavy wooden blackboard duster across the room at them.... i still have ptsd flashbacks on some of those events even after 50 years!

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  Just curious about the rest of you.

  I was bullied quite badly throughout my school years because of being a Witness and not participating in religious holidays, sporting celebrations, assembly (worship), and the like.

  It was mostly from other pupils but there were a couple of teachers who definitely treated me badly. That was back when UK teachers still caned pupils or were allowed to hurl the heavy wooden blackboard duster across the room at them...

  I still have ptsd flashbacks on some of those events even after 50 years!

  How many other born-ins suffered ill-treatment because of being different at school?
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  Avoiding Temptation As a Young Elder

  by TMS in

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  2. experiences

  it was the summer of '72.

  i was 24 but had been the presiding overseer or congregation servant of a small congregation in the county seat of an arkansas county for about 3 years.. my regular pioneer wife of nearly four years was big and pregnant, with our attempts at birth control unsuccessful.. one of my wife's several bible studies was with a young woman named brenda whom my wife had encountered in door to door work.. brenda had two young children she could barely handle and was married to a very countryfied arkie named henry who worked as a chicken catcher, one of the most difficult jobs at the local chicken plant.. brenda eventually revealed that she'd been raised as a jw, but was never baptized, having left home to marry henry at age 14. she spoke of her family in texas, mentioning her mother and two older sisters, all jws she said.. one morning, just before the meeting for field service, we noticed a small car in kingdom hall parking lot.

  my wife and i were parked to one side of the hall in our aluminum nashua house trailer.. two young women got out of the car and soon joined us for the meeting for service, identifying themselves as brenda's sisters from texas.. the two girls, ages 17 and 20, were distractingly beautiful, with the eldest decked out like a magnificent southern belle including hat and heels, her high-end clothing accentuating her very obvious curves.. with no one else showing up for field service, it ended up just the four of us in the car group with the two texas girls in the back seat.. starting our time at a not-at-home, the 20 year old asked if she could accompany me to "hear my presentation.

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  Ephesians refers to loins girded about with truth.

  I often wondered if that's why the "Truth" is so obsessed with the area of their loins in so many of their publications.
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  Stupid WT Q's : Is It Wise or Safe to Keep a Dog?  Demons—How Can We Resist Them?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, that is an actual question in the awake magazine.

  jw kids lives are already miserable enough trying to obey all the ignorant rules of the wt.. no sports, no school dance, no holidays.... just field service.

  as if that isn't enough.... let's take away their puppy dogs too!.

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  Of course that's what Paul said in Philippians 3v2 "Beware of the dogs."

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  Did Satan keep on Attracting Demons to his side?

  by Lost in the fog in

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  2. beliefs

  if you still believe in god and the devil.. .

  where did the demons come from?.

  the wt says that they are the angels who came to earth and had relations with women on earth, who on return to heaven were thrown into tartarus.

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  If you still believe in God and the Devil.

  
  

  Where did the demons come from?

  The WT says that they are the angels who came to earth and had relations with women on earth, who on return to heaven were thrown into Tartarus.

  And Tartarus according to the WT is not a place but a condition in darkness away from the light of God which sounds like the heavenly equivalent of a Naughty Step rather than a maximum security prison…

  Yet elsewhere in the Bible the wicked spirit creatures are active in heavenly places. (Eph 6:12)

  The Bible also describes demons being active on the earth at the same time as in the account of Jesus and the Gadarene swine (Luke 8:31-34).

  And in the Revelation account there's that big war in heaven between the forces of good and evil and the demons get booted out to fall spiralling down to the earth trailing fire like a shot down spitfire in WW2. (Don't you remember that really silly picture in the red study book!?)

  If after the flood the angels were put into lockdown (didn't Jesus preach to the spirits in prison?), where were all these other demons coming from in the centuries afterwards? Maybe Satan was continuously attracting more angels with doubts about God to his side?

  The WT explanation has never made sense. If you still believe in God or the Devil what is your take on the matter?